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Not at all! No booze! No bravado! Just common sense. You must not have noticed the ?? marks at the end of my sentence?? I may have made an assumption that I shouldn't. The reason I asked if he had been charged was because, in order to change the Act, your friend "Al"(of Meteghan??) will have to challenge it - on what grounds, I do not know. The easiest, and least expensive, way to challenge legislation is to offend the legislation as it is written and then proceed as I have described earlier in this thread. (This is a long and arduous process. It is not for the faint of heart or the impecunious!!) The Federal Dept of Fisheries and Oceans will not change the statute just because you and "Al" think that it is a good idea - no matter how politely you present your idea. With the greatest of respect, you of all people, ought to know this. (If you're just trolling - Congrats! - you have gotten a bite!!) Regards.....
 
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Not at all! No booze! No bravado! Just common sense. You must not have noticed the ?? marks at the end of my sentence?? I may have made an assumption that I shouldn't. The reason I asked if he had been charged was because, in order to change the Act, your friend "Al"(of Meteghan??) will have to challenge it - on what grounds, I do not know. The easiest, and least expensive, way to challenge legislation is to offend the legislation as it is written and then proceed as I have described earlier in this thread. (This is a long and arduous process. It is not for the faint of heart or the impecunious!!) The Federal Dept of Fisheries and Oceans will not change the statute just because you and "Al" think that it is a good idea - no matter how politely you present your idea. With the greatest of respect, you of all people, ought to know this. (If you're just trolling - Congrats! - you got a bite!!) Regards.....
I am not quite sure why you are accusing me of "TROLLING" when all I did was make a statement concerning a guy I met a few years ago?????? Is this the same guy as mentioned previously in this message thread? I am not sure, and I can only speculate to that!!!!

This person I met is involved in fisheries management, and will have all the "DATA" to back up his claim that there is no "LOGICAL" and/or "BIOLOGICAL" reason why we should not have a recreational lobster fishery here in NS!!!

Have a great day.
 

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I did NOT accuse you of "TROLLING". Any accusations that I make are done head on and NOT in an obtuse manner. I commented that, if you were trolling, I had bitten. The fact that "Al" has all the data etc, etc, etc and could not change the system while he was part of it, (by either logic or moral suasion), continues to butress the position which I have previously stated. IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE FISHERIES ACT ONE WOULD FIRST HAVE TO VIOLATE IT AS IT IS WRITTEN. THEN A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION (FCC,SCNS or SCCC)WOULD HAVE TO ORDER THE MINISTER (BUREAUCRATS)TO CHANGE IT AS PER THE ORDER. This would/could take years. Regards....
 
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The fact that he has all the data etc, etc, etc and could not change the system while he was part of it, (by either logic or moral suasion), continues to butress the position which I have previously stated. IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE FISHERIES ACT ONE WOULD FIRST HAVE TO VIOLATE IT AS IT IS WRITTEN. THEN A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION WOULD HAVE TO ORDER THE MINISTER (BUREAUCRATS)TO CHANGE IT.
The FACT of the matter was stated in post #19 in this message thread: http://novascotiafis...dpost__p__24638

He could NOT change the system while he is/was actively involved because of a conflict of interest that would have terminated his employment!!!!

BTW, this discussion between you and I is a moot point!!!! I am not even sure this is the same guy, so I am done debating this any further with you!!!


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I am going to strongly disagree with your thoughts on this issue!!!!!

In most areas of NS, there are no problems with the stock of the lobsters! This is the ONLY commercial fishery that does not have quotas on the catches for the fisherman. The fisherman can catch ALL THEY WANT, with NO limits on the amount of lobster they can catch!!!

At the present time, the demand is low for the product because of the global economy, so the price the fisherman gets is regulated by the demand. No demand, = a low price for the lobsters!!!

Now, the lobster fisherman in my area of NS fish a short 2 month season, and can gross $30,000 to $50,000 after expenses!!!! Not a bad living as I see it!!! BUT WAIT, these same fisherman can still draw full EI for the remaining 10 months of the year!!!! Most have their wife, and one or two kids hired as deckhands, and pay them a very good daily wage, that gets written off as a business expense! Now, this family of 4, can each draw FULL EI for 10 months of the year. Full EI is $450 a week. a family of 4 now makes $1800 a week for 40 weeks of EI. Do the math, that equals $72,000 a year of EI benefits for that family of 4 that all ready cleared $50,000 for the season!!! Now, the way I see it, a recreational fishery is NOT going to affect a local economy that is supported by 10 months of EI benefits!!!!

Now we have the stability of the resource issue! The resources are very stable, and IMO, can support a recreational fishery that is well regulated by either a trap limit, or catch limits. It works in ALL of the states in the USA, so why can it work here in NS??????

Now you mentioned the possibility of a poaching issue, can you please elaborate on why you think that will be an issue?????
once agn you are so hell bent on proving your point, which is very clear to everyone who has ever been on here and read your post, that you have totally missed mine. If you fully quoted what I said not just the first part maybe you would get it.

I said that some make very good money but not all do, but it doesn't matter. The point is if they make less b/c they are selling less b/c ppl can catch their own and/or are selling their catch(illegally) less money is going back into the economy from the fishers which effects us all. And it is not exactly the free for all you describe their are trap limits and rules which you know very well. You sound very bitter maybe you didn't feel you were used well by your employer while you were fishing but not all situations are the same. I agree, you should not be able to get ei if you make 50,oooo you should be able to make that last a yr like the rest of us but that is a whole other issue, a problem with the system that won't change anytime soon.

There is a poaching prob now if more individuals are on the water and can be out there catching lobsters it just leads to more opportunity for poaching.Dfo has troubloe keeping up now just with policing the commercial fisherman now you would have them be incharge of policing a whole other group of individuals

And pls do not insult me with giving me a lesson on global economics and how the price is set, like I said I live in the lobster community and my bro inlaw is a lobsterman I know exactly how it works and your suggestion would only worsen matters in the big picture.And I am sorry I need a little more than just your feelings and opinion that the stocks could with stand a rec fishery I'd prefer some hard evidence

And I am sorry but I find it hard to believe that this issue is befor the courts as moose I beleive said, as noone down here in meteghan and yarmouth has heard abt it. It seems to me this info would spread like wild fire in these small comunities.

But I digress we can agree to disagree and maybe the mysteryman and the mystery courts will figure it all out for us.

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And I am sorry but I find it hard to believe that this issue is befor the courts as moose I beleive said, as noone down here in meteghan and yarmouth has heard abt it. It seems to me this info would spread like wild fire in these small comunities.
I have no idea if it is or not, so I can not comment on that statement!
 

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Debate be damned!! I just told you the facts on how the system works. Looks like GF is in schooling/spanking mode!!! BTW, now, I AM trolling!! Have a nice week....
I think I'll set up a troll booth to collect money for my next toy


Paul

P.S: Good seeing you today, SM, and thanks for the help with my most recent toy.
 

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just b/c there are presently no catch limits does not mean that the fishery can continue to sustain the current or any more pressure, it could just very well mean the data isn't there to prove otherwise b/c noone has taken the time to study it. That is like the guys who go to the lake and day after day take their limit of trout b/c there seemd to be plenty there then after awhile stand there scratching their heads wondering where all the fish have gone. Assuming somthing is sustainable and knowing it is sustainable is totally different. And unfortunately we may only find out once it is too late and we will look back in hind sight and realise the mistake, but it really won't matter at that point will it?

I might add that there have been other fisheries that had limits and some with no limits and they ended up in trouble, whether the gov has put limits on it or not does not mean they won't have to in the near future. And for the record in many parts of district 34 the catch was down and my bro inlaw has records to prove it and he is one of the better fisherman down this way, thankfully though he was one of the few that was smart with his money when things were going well and didn't live like a rock star.

Enough industry is going to sh!! around here we don't need to mess up another part of the economy that for the present is still going.

For the record many seasonal workers make 30,0000plus and still collect ei so why pick just on the fisherman. I think the whole ei system is screwed and I have a right to say it as I am the one working all year long paying for it and it aint right but it is what it is.

Some industries need to be controlled inorder to keep order in the world. A friggin free for all like there in the states as you mentioned obviously doesn't work. Maybe if there had been checks and balances they wouldn't be in the mess they are in. I for one would not want to mimic anything the states does here in canada, thank you very much, they obviously made a lot more bad decisions than our gov

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Some industries need to be controlled inorder to keep order in the world. A friggin free for all like there in the states as you mentioned obviously doesn't work. Maybe if there had been checks and balances they wouldn't be in the mess they are in. I for one would not want to mimic anything the states does here in canada, thank you very much, they obviously made a lot more bad decisions than our gov.
Here is where YOU are 100% incorrect!!!!!!

ALL of the Atlantic states in the US recognize the social and economic benefits of a recreational fishery in their coastal waters!!!! Thier recreational fisheries are well managed, and controlled with catch limits, and it's not a "FRIGGEN FREE FOR ALL" as you described!!!! And from that statement it is clear you have NO clue what you are talking about!!!! Every US state that has a lobster fishery, allows the recreational take of lobsters, it has been that way for YEARS!!!!! BTW, the USA has never had a fishery collapse like the Cod fishery in Canada!!!! So, IMO, Canada can learn a lot from fisheries management in the US!!!


Just because the US economy is in the toilet, has NO bearing on fisheries management!!! BTW, in a poor, or lagging economy, that is when a recreational fishery benefits the residents the most!!! It allows people to feed themselves, when times get tough!!!!! What would be a greater benefit???????
 

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I have no problem having a civil debate, I respect others right to an opinion even if it does not coincide with my own. However the constant caps is rude and disrespectful, there are many times I felt passionate abt my posts to you but refrained from screaming my point acrossed as that turns a debate into an argument which is beneficial for noone and it is leaving me wondering if you are just trolling as others have mentioned.

just saying
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I have no problem having a civil debate, I respect others right to an opinion even if it does not coincide with my own. However the constant caps is rude and disrespectful, there are many times I felt passionate abt my posts to you but refrained from screaming my point acrossed as that turns a debate into an argument which is beneficial for noone and it is leaving me wondering if you are just trolling as others have mentioned.

just saying
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I am aware that typing a full message in ALL CAPS is considered yelling or screaming at someone!!! But by using caps to just put emphasis on certain words is not considered screaming in a message thread. I have been posting on internet message boards for over 15 years, and I am well versed in proper "netiquette" when posting.

Anyhow, let me share this pic of a 12lb Spiny Lobster I caught while "SPORT FISHING" when I lived out West in the US some years ago! This large lobster is considered a trophy catch, and was donated to a local marine aquarium for everyone to enjoy!!!!


 

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I am aware that typing a full message in ALL CAPS is considered yelling or screaming at someone!!! But by using caps to just put emphasis on certain words is not considered screaming in a message thread. I have been posting on internet message boards for over 15 years, and I am well versed in proper "netiquette" when posting.

Anyhow, let me share this pic of a 12lb Spiny Lobster I caught while "SPORT FISHING" when I lived out West in the US some years ago! This large lobster is considered a trophy catch, and was donated to a local marine aquarium for everyone to enjoy!!!!


Aw cmon boys play nice ! Great lobster btw XLOBSTERMAN !
 

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Thanks, I am sure you can tell by the pic, that I was more than a little happy when I caught that GIANT BUG!!!!!
X would a lobster that big be tough eating ? I've gotten big ol lobster right off the boat from my son-in-law and they were pretty chewy. Now you're gonna tell me we cooked em wrong aren't you ?
 

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X would a lobster that big be tough eating ? I've gotten big ol lobster right off the boat from my son-in-law and they were pretty chewy. Now you're gonna tell me we cooked em wrong aren't you ?
I don't know? I have never eaten a bug that big! I have eaten them around 7 or 8 pounds, and they were GREAT!!!
 
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